February 22, 2004
ATS: David Fury Comments
The annual Posting Board Party, which is retitled the Wolfram and Hart Annual Revue
this year, is this weekend. David Fury was there, mingling with the fans, and had some interesting comments on this season of Angel. One of the attendees, Laurie, has been kind enough to pass along some of these comments.
Wolfram And Hart Annual Revue Report - (Courtesy of Laurie)
Fury was questioned on how Spike had been written this season.
Fury indicated he was aware of the criticism and he understood
that Spike was in a different place at the end of last season with Buffy,
but that sweet, sensitive Spike, though very likeable, would quickly become
a very boring character to write. He said he loved Spike with attitude,
and that the other issue was that Angel and Spike fall back into old patterns
when they come together. More comments:
1. Spike is NOT evil -- he is a good guy. He is -- and this is a direct
quote -- "morally superior" to Angel. (!)
2. (Again, close to a direct quote:) Spike and Angel is the true love
story of this season.
3. Spike/Harmony sex in Destiny was Joss' idea. Fury tried to argue
against it (*would Spike really do this?*), but Joss insisted that Spike
needed a "release" -- it had nothing to do with Buffy. He also said that
they wanted it to come across differently than it did, but James is too
good at doing sex scenes (he said it a bit differently than that, but that's
close, I think).
4. Jeff Bell is writing the finale (Joss is off writing the Firefly movie).
DeKnight is most likely writing 20, possibly with DrewGod again. (This
bit came from DeK.) Fury is most likely doing ep 21. (That came from
5. The finale is NOT being changed significantly, if at all. Fury said the
ending they had already planned as the season finale also worked
quite well as a series finale. Didn't sound like Sarah is returning.
Fury commented that the only campaign he'd heard of on the Internet
concerning the finale was the one where Spike and Buffy end up
together. Some girls then started shouting *Angel and Buffy*. At
which point Fury went into this very sarcastic riff about how the *real
ending* was going to be that Spike dies, Buffy returns, and she and
Angel ride off into the sunset together. Which means, imo, that the one
thing we can be sure of is that the show is NOT going to end that way!
6. Fury and DeKnight had a fight over Destiny. Seems DeKnight
wrote it that Angel won the fight. Fury told him that Spike had to
win the fight. DeKnight protested that he'd already written it, and
Angel won. Fury told him to rewrite it -- that Spike had to win. The
episode was all about how Angel had made Spike what he was and
how Spike had been put upon all those years, and Spike had to win.
At which point, a very cross DeKnight (and this part comes from a
later conversation with DeKnight, not from Fury), apparently yelled
at Fury *Write it yourself!*
7. Later in the evening, Fury was asked to please stop writing Spike
as being stupid in all his episodes. Fury was confused, and said
when did he write Spike as stupid. He was told that
someone says he's stupid in every episode. He again asked for
examples. The puppet ep was mentioned -- he pointed out he
didn't write that one. :-) He then added that "Spike isn't stupid.
Angel calls him stupid, but that's just because he's jealous of
8. It was suggested at one point that they sell Angel puppets to pay
for a season six. Fury laughed and liked that idea. :-) He also
confirmed that he was indeed the guy under the towel in
Anyway, that sums up a very enjoyable discussion. Fury
was certainly at his most charming. :-)
Also present at the event: DeKnight, Jeff Bell, Drew Goddard, Tim
Minear, Julie Benz, Sarah Thompson, Jonathan Woodward, Andy Hallett,
*Gru* (I forget the actor's name), and several demons (the demon
on a leash; Skip, and one other). Also the guy who played Prince
of Lies/Gnarl -- Camden Toy.